The Great Moghul Interview
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Thats right, and I couldnt sleep a wink with worrying,
imagining - well I didnt know what that Percy had been knocked
down in the blackout or something. Anyway the next morning early,
I had this telephone call from the police. Theyd found him .
. . . . . but he was dead. In Leeds, the station, on the train from Bristol. Yes, and I just couldnt understand it. I thought he meant
Puxton I kept on saying Puxton station, Puxton. But no, it was
Leeds Station he said. Theyd found him in the lavatory on the
train. They thought at first that hed fainted but he was dead.
It was his heart. Thats what they said. He was only 34. He had a weak heart,
they said, from the TB. Thats what no one knows. Of course they tried to make
out he was running off with the ruby but Percy would never do
that, hed have never left me for a start. Well, he didnt have one. I just dont know. Gone. Disappeared. And I said to them if hed been running
off with the ruby, where was it then, for it wasnt found on him. As I told them at the time, I have no idea. They searched
all over our cottage, and the garden but there was no sign. The police. And the people working for Sir Roger. He was
in a great taking, of course. Shocked by Percys death, yes, but
shattered too by the loss of the stone so he had all sorts of
people making enquiries. They tried to make out I was in it with him that I was
going to run off to join him but it was plainly untrue. It was
obvious I didnt know anything about the ruby, for Percy hadnt
even told me what he was doing that day. Never, as far as I know. Once the coroner said that Percy
had died from natural causes, the police werent interested anymore.
The war was on and they had their hands full. As far as they were
concerned, Percy was running off with the stone, which hed then
hidden somewhere, or it possibly it had been stolen from him after
his death. He had family in Scotland, of course, where the Elgins
came from originally, but not Leeds, no. Thats right. It was locked from the inside. They had
to get a key to open it which is why nobody found him until they
were clearing the carriages. No, but I think they just couldnt be bothered with it
all. Oh yes, he did, as I said, He had his own people asking
questions and running about but all that stopped soon after. In just a few days news arrived from France that Sir Roger
and Lady Dyall's son Freddie, he was their only son, had been
killed. The Normandy landings. Well, after that Sir Roger was
quite broken up, you know, and he gave up any search for the Great
Moghul. Well, everyone thought that, of course, but no one said
it. Well, of course, I had to move way from Great Dyall. Percys
funeral was in Taunton at his parents, and after that I went back
to my parents too for a bit while I got myself sorted out. But
I heard that the Dyall family fell on hard times after that. They
never went back to London, just stayed on the estate, like in
mourning you know. The house in Manchester Square was sold shortly
after the war and is now flats I believe. Sir Roger was a shadow
of himself and died in the early 60s. When her husband died, Great Dyall was put on the market
and became a school for a while. I heard said Lady Dyall moved
into a hotel in Weston-super-Mare and died there sometime in the
70s. Oh no. That didnt last. The school closed in the late
70s and house was knocked down and the grounds developed with
housing for Weston. Its all gone, even our cottage. Oh it was. We were so happy there before all this happened
and that horrible ruby came along. They were the happiest days
of my life you know
Before all that
.. Your Great Uncle was an honest
man, John, he was not a thief. Oh but they do. Thats whats always been said, but it
isnt true and I should have done more to clear his name when
I could. I am old woman now, and Ive not long to go I know. No, I havent and thats the point. I shall meet up with
Percy soon and hes going to ask me what I did to stand up for
him after he was gone, when he couldnt stand up for himself.
And I didnt do enough which is why I want us to put it right
now. Yes, me and you. Ive no one as you know and youre the
nearest Ive got and I want you to help me
please. You can find the Great Moghul. If that ruby is found,
then everyone will know my Percy is innocent. Yes, but I would. Theres people you could talk to, still
alive, who remember what happened. You see Ive been thinking
I cant do much else now Im stuck here and the more I think
about it the more I think something happened that day to explain
the disappearance of the stone. Fetch me that cardboard box, will
you, on the side. Yes, thats the one. Now, I had most of his clothes back
soon after, his keys, watch, you know, and his wallet with a bit
of money in it. And apart from his hanky which never showed up,
I thought that was it. Thats as maybe, but Percy was very particular about his
handkerchief. Id given him them, with his initials on and everything,
so I reckon it was one of those station people took it. Anyway, you open that box. That lot then turned up, oh
weeks later, after the funeral. Its all stuff the police found
in Percys pockets after he died. Theyd been put to one side,
I suppose, and overlooked. Yes, I do. And I dont think the police ever properly
looked at them. I know I was too upset to think about them at
the time there was nothing of value so I just kept them in
this box, along with some other stuff about his death like the
newspaper cuttings. Yes, theyre from one of the Bristol papers. Oh no. Sir Roger was keen to keep the whole thing quiet,
you know. Yes, thats him, a bit younger maybe. We had it taken
for our engagement. Well, I recognise his little notebook of course but the
rest of it I dont know what to think. Oh no, it wasnt his thing at all. And I cant imagine
what he was doing because hed never have had time to see a whole
show anyway before his train was leaving. If it wasnt for the
manager I would have said it was just something he picked up somewhere. At the box-office. It came out at the inquest that he
recognised Percy when the police showed him that photograph. He
remembered him especially because he arrived sometime after 4oclock,
nearly at the end of the matinee. And he was followed shortly
after by another man too. Yes, thats what was said. He remembered especially because
Percy then left on his own in a great hurry about ten minutes
later, and the other fellow a few minutes after that. And he asked
the doorman which way Percy had gone, and then he set off after
him towards Queen Square. I dont know. I didnt hear anything more. Not at the time, no. Except, well, there was Sir Rogers
hat which turned up a lot later on. Just an ordinary grey trilby. I dont think its got anything
to do with anything, really. It had been left in the theatre,
and when they were having a turn out of all the lost property,
all those umbrellas, you know, they recognised the name inside
and sent it back. But the funny thing was that Sir Roger couldnt
remember the last time hed been to the theatre at Bristol. Still
he really wasnt himself by then, you know, he was that upset
about his boy so you cant read much into that. Of course its not a theatre anymore, it was turned into
a bar . . . oh . . . ten years ago, I should say, so I am sure
wed have heard if anything had ever turned up. Oh yes. You couldnt get from Puxton and Worle to London
direct. Youd change at Bristol for the express to Paddington.
The same thing on the way back. Yes, its the return half. Percy had pills for his heart, but these dont look like
them. I couldnt say what they are. Theyre all a mystery to me. Percy was neat man, always
tidy and smart. I cant see him picking up bits and bobs like
that unless there was a reason. Thats right. That came later. It must have been a couple
of days after Id heard the news and then this dropped through
the letterbox. Well, it doesnt say so and why didnt he telephone then?
The whole thing makes no sense. Anyway, I kept it like he said. Now look. Percy was an honest, trustworthy man. Ill never
believe he stole that ruby so something must have happened. I
believe that there were others after it like I said, maybe someone
Sir Roger had shown it too. Maybe Percy had to hide the stone
away somewhere to keep it safe, intending to go back for it later
except he couldnt. Nothing makes any sense what was he doing at the theatre,
and on a train to Leeds otherwise, except trying to get away maybe.
Somewhere in all this stuff there are clues to where that ruby
is now. You find it, John, and then Percys name will be cleared. Not think. Ive done nothing but think. You promise me
youll do something
. Dont forget you promised, will you? Yes, I dont feel
so good now
. Not right now, I think thats all I can tell you.
INTERVIEW 2 (Tracks 5,6,7,8)
A room in a nursing home, John Elgin at the bedside of his bed-ridden
great aunt Dorothy Elgin (continued)
John
OK . . . OK. So Aunt Dorothy, you were telling me about Percy
then. He went off to London that morning but then didnt arrive
back when you thought.
Dorothy
John
Im so sorry. And where was this?
Dorothy
John
Leeds? You mean Leeds? In the north?
Dorothy
John
A heart attack?
Dorothy
John
What was he doing in Leeds?
Dorothy
John
What about his ticket? To Leeds.
Dorothy
John
So what do you think happened?
Dorothy
John
And the Great Moghul, the stone?
Dorothy
John
So what do you think happened to it?
Dorothy
John
Who searched?
Dorothy
John
I see.
Dorothy
John
So it never turned up.
Dorothy
John
If hed been running off, why didnt he take a train from
London? Did he have any connections with Leeds?
Dorothy
John
And you say he was found in the lavatory?
Dorothy
John
So, its not very likely someone robbed him then, after he
died, Id have thought.
Dorothy
John
But Sir Roger must have made investigations too.
Dorothy
John
Oh, why?
Dorothy
John
It looks like the story about misfortune following the loss
of the ruby might have been true after all.
Dorothy
John
And what happened to you?
Dorothy
John
And what about Lady Dyall?
Dorothy
John
So, Great Dyall, is it still a school?
Dorothy
John
That must have been a bit sad.
Dorothy
John
Uh-huh
.
Dorothy
John
Im sure no one really thinks that
Dorothy
John
Well, Im sure youve plenty of time yet
.
Dorothy
John
Us?
Dorothy
John
Well, I don t know
Aunt
. I mean what can I do?
Dorothy
John
Find The Great Moghul? But I wouldnt know where to start.
Dorothy
John GETS UP TO GET CARDBOARD BOX FROM SIDE
John
This one?
Dorothy
John
I am always losing hankies myself.
Dorothy
John
Yes, sorry . . . .
Dorothy
John
And you think these things are important?
Dorothy
John
These?
Dorothy
John
I dont see any mention of the Great Moghul.
Dorothy
John
Is this photo a good likeness of Percy?
Dorothy
John
What about the rest of the stuff?
Dorothy
John
This. . theatre programme, is it? And a ticket. Was Uncle
Percy a great theatre-goer then?
Dorothy
John
Manager?
Dorothy
John
Really?
Dorothy
John
Did the police say anything else about this man at the inquest?
Dorothy
John
Very odd. And there was nothing found at the theatre, I suppose?
Dorothy
John
A hat?
Dorothy
John
I see.
Dorothy
John
Yes, I suppose so. . . . Why did Percy stop in Bristol anyway?
Would he have had to change trains then?
Dorothy
John
So thats this ticket is it?
Dorothy
John
And these pills?
Dorothy
John
What about the rest then? Pencil. And this metal thing
a bit off something, maybe?
Dorothy
John
This postcard is to you, isnt it?
Dorothy
John
Its a bit odd writing to you, isnt it? Its definitely
his writing, is it?
Dorothy Oh yes. But I cant understand why he was sending a postcard
anyway he was going to see me later.
John
Perhaps he knew he wouldnt be back when he said?
Dorothy
John
Well it does seem a bit fishy but its all very well. . really
I cant see what I can do . . . . realistically.
Dorothy
John
Well, its possible.
Dorothy
John
Well Ill certainly have a think, Aunt Dorothy, but I dont
hold out much hope.
Dorothy
John
Yes, OK, OK, I promise Ill do what I can. Now, listen youre
getting worn out with all this. You look quite grey, let me call
the nurse.
Dorothy
John
Well just you rest now. The nursell be in in a minute. Is
there anything else you can think of that I should know before
I go?
Dorothy
John
All right, Aunt. I think Ill just switch this thing off
then.
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